I agree that the retard podcast right don't deserve to be back into the fold and the issues are not just disagreement on points but fundamentally unhinged, antagonistic and destructive, but I also think a lot of those in the audience are not as committed to the worst aspects of these people as we think they are.
In my day job I had a meeting with a vendor where we were talking over lunch, and he was talking about how he has softened on Muslims from having one or two middle class Muslims as customers watching Ana Kasparian and Candace Owens agree on issues and that the partisan lines we once thought mattered don't matter anymore, and he no longer likes Trump. He is a carnivore diet, retire into the woods with a small homestead type guy who has a charm when you know him well. These views are all easy-come so they should be easy-go and that's what I think a J.D. Vance conciliatory effort does. Vance doesn't say, "These things don't matter," he says, "You matter. Don't check out of politics." He didn't say, "The Epstein files are the worst thing ever or don't matter at all" but he said, "I cared about them and I thought it isn't weird to care about them."
This sort of attitude makes people used to feeling unheard feel heard and that is probably enough to talk a lot of people off the ledge. We see a lot more bad-faith, highly dedicated online people who don't deserve forgiveness or a place in politics, but most of the audience of unscrupulous commentators like Kelly, Owens, Carlson, etc. are just normal people who listen to a podcast while going on a call for work. I think its good politics.
Unfortunately, only the most cantankerous people are not conflict averse. People have grown up in the “Just Be A Decent Person” soup that is the corruption of Anglo-WASP courtesy culture that they’ll convince themselves of anything
He prints out the transcripts because the Biden voice sends him into another rage spiral. The man just loves America so much, he can’t stand to hear Sleepy Joe.
Many a mom is listening to and believing Candace Owens, and that makes me sad. The Retard Right is doing so much damage. We cannot let them have a place anymore. We must shut them down at every opportunity. Not even engage them in civility. They are psychotic and delusional. You cannot rationalize with someone who doesn't even understand reality. I'm not sure how you'll snap the mom's out of this one, but I hope it can be done soon.
Can’t wait to hear you talk about the Thing (1982 dir. John Carpenter)
In other news, my wife just got out of the hospital and can finally spackle all those holes in the wall from last time you ignored me. She’s really counting on you to deliver this time.
I don’t have much to contribute to the conversation right now other than the fact that I really don’t like libertarians. I think they enjoy too much representation in the Trump administration. I don’t think these members of the coalition bring anything productive or actionable to the table.
Something I always admired about Trump was his attention to loyalty at key moments. He can tolerate people’s ineptitude so long as they are loyal. But somehow this message has not gotten through to the PR team that proved this Vance appearance on Megyn Kelly’s show. We don’t need these empty talking heads, and we don’t need to forget what they did to Charlie Kirk’s widow. If anything, Vance should be emphasizing the contrast between Epstein’s behavior and the systematic decades-long sexual abuse and torture laid out in the recent British Rape Gang Report of 2026. There were 250,000+ native British girls savagely abused by overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim men, and yet these RW “influencers” are hellbent on tying up Trump with false accusations. May a Trump/Lowe alliance break these RW traitors’ influence.
The war in Iran was a foreign and domestic political disaster for Trump. At the behest of those whose loyalty to him is at best lukewarm and who regard him as a disposable means to an end to realize their cherished policies (or worse, “prophecies”), Trump started a war in an election year that he couldn’t realistically win. Time and the “escalation ladder” were both against him. In so doing Trump not only discredited his administration on the issue that arguably got him elected over Biden/Kamala, inflation, but also discredited his claim to being a president who makes deals rather than starts wars. All of the most vile people in American politics were able to treat Trump like a piñata for four long months and have been gifted talking points that will serve them well on the stump, while those of us who have defended Trump as being a “nationalist” or “realist” were made to look like fools.
Although the details of the current ceasefire remain nebulous, a return to the status quo ante is tantamount to defeat: To win, all Iran had to do was not lose, whereas to not lose Trump had to win. Don’t get me wrong, any deal to end this war of choice and move on is better than nothing, from my point of view, but the neocons whom Trump was appeasing are already turning on him without hesitation or moderation. Israel, America’s faithless ally, is attempting to sabotage the ceasefire by continuing to occupy and bomb Lebanon, hoping to goad Iran into retaliating, and in turn drag the United States back into the war. By starting this war, Trump set in motion forces beyond his control. What happens next is up to the Likuds, Hezbollah, and the IRGC, parties not exactly known for their restraint, let alone any sense of responsibility towards American interests.
All of the above was possible because many of the major “America First” media figures isolated themselves from influence by embracing conspiracism and defeatism, out of petulance at best, cynicism at worst. It was a necessary, if not sufficient, condition. Hence why it is folly to abstain from politics “on principle.” If you do, then Christian-Zionist dodos, nationalist Jewish ethnics, and Team-America jingoists with paraphilia for bombs and guns run the show instead. It’s equivalent to, “If you kill your enemies, they win.”
No one has loathed Levin for longer than I have. Many a blog post of mine in the early 2010s was devoted to debunking Levin’s abuse of American history to justify the latest foreign war and falsify the Founders as Romney-Ryan Republicans. The spectacle of Trump gushing over that creepy, nutty neocon and ordering his supporters to watch his show was an indignity, not just to all of us who supported Trump, but to Trump himself. Levin was a MAGA latecomer (NeverTrump and pro-Cruz in 2016) and more generally still represents everything about the pre-Trump GOP that was so stupid. Yet what was the context of Trump’s encomium of Levin? Bickering between Levin and Megyn Kelly, a disgraceful conspiracy-monger. While purported “America First” influencers like her were self-destructing, not just with Trump personally but with the public at large, the Levins (and apropos Kelly, Candace Owens, and Tucker Carlson, the Shapiros) were practicing actual politics with the president, getting his ear by kissing his ass, swallowing their pride and sucking up, etc. Remember in 2019, when Tucker’s personal call with Trump stopped him from bombing Iran over the latest panic over some phantom threat? (Probably “days away” from another nuke, as it’s been the last three decades.) Where was that in June 2025? February 2026? Well, look at where Tucker is now.
It’s a catastrophe that so many of our ideas remain relegated to “online.” Whenever I encounter legacy media, our side is labeled as “the podcasters” or some other derisive epithet, and inasmuch that underestimates the grassroots support of our ideas, it does correctly identify our side’s leading public figures. Most of these leaders, unfortunately, are people of poor judgment and low character, not to mention that they often have adopted our ideas without understanding, and thus are unable to defend them or apply them to new events. There was an opportunity for a real-world breakthrough, but the breakdown of this online scene into infighting and grifting has hampered that opportunity for the time being. As has been a recurring theme here, we need institutions that confer prestige and impose discipline. There are some positive signs here and there, but in general all of the institutional power remains with the “conservatives,” who as we can see from the late war, have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
the listeners of these podcasts are easily swayed. Kelly shouldnt be allowed back but many of her listeners can be guided back by JD's calm and convincing nature
I know the fires of hell surely await Candace after this life but I really do hope God cuts her down in such a spectacular fashion and soon. I can’t think of anyone else who’s asking for it more than her.
No, that would be to her benefit. If Candace Owens dies as she is now, everyone who follows her will feel vindicated and believe that even if she was mauled by a wild cougar that Trump did it over Epstein. The only thing I want to happen to Candace is for her to be thoroughly discredited in the eyes of even her most ardent supporters.
I think it helps neutralize MK in the upcoming elections, Vance has none of Trumps "baggage" and being conciliatory probably helps give the retard right detractors of Trumpism a way to save face when they inevitably want to return to the trough. After they return he needs to completely house-break them, however.
Vance has a unique opportunity to thread the needle of the presumptive heir to MAGA who will continue MAGA policies, while also being the "MAGA that should have been" to those currently disaffected.
I agree that the retard podcast right don't deserve to be back into the fold and the issues are not just disagreement on points but fundamentally unhinged, antagonistic and destructive, but I also think a lot of those in the audience are not as committed to the worst aspects of these people as we think they are.
In my day job I had a meeting with a vendor where we were talking over lunch, and he was talking about how he has softened on Muslims from having one or two middle class Muslims as customers watching Ana Kasparian and Candace Owens agree on issues and that the partisan lines we once thought mattered don't matter anymore, and he no longer likes Trump. He is a carnivore diet, retire into the woods with a small homestead type guy who has a charm when you know him well. These views are all easy-come so they should be easy-go and that's what I think a J.D. Vance conciliatory effort does. Vance doesn't say, "These things don't matter," he says, "You matter. Don't check out of politics." He didn't say, "The Epstein files are the worst thing ever or don't matter at all" but he said, "I cared about them and I thought it isn't weird to care about them."
This sort of attitude makes people used to feeling unheard feel heard and that is probably enough to talk a lot of people off the ledge. We see a lot more bad-faith, highly dedicated online people who don't deserve forgiveness or a place in politics, but most of the audience of unscrupulous commentators like Kelly, Owens, Carlson, etc. are just normal people who listen to a podcast while going on a call for work. I think its good politics.
Unfortunately, only the most cantankerous people are not conflict averse. People have grown up in the “Just Be A Decent Person” soup that is the corruption of Anglo-WASP courtesy culture that they’ll convince themselves of anything
I really think JD Vance reads the Conundrum Cluster.
He prints out the transcripts because the Biden voice sends him into another rage spiral. The man just loves America so much, he can’t stand to hear Sleepy Joe.
Insert Marco Rubio meme of him dressed for a different roll.
“¡Aye, Jefe! Here is the transcript for that Backrooms podcast you requested.”
“Damn it, Lil Marco! Where is the doomer episode on Eddington! I need my cathartic moment.”
Many a mom is listening to and believing Candace Owens, and that makes me sad. The Retard Right is doing so much damage. We cannot let them have a place anymore. We must shut them down at every opportunity. Not even engage them in civility. They are psychotic and delusional. You cannot rationalize with someone who doesn't even understand reality. I'm not sure how you'll snap the mom's out of this one, but I hope it can be done soon.
Can’t wait to hear you talk about the Thing (1982 dir. John Carpenter)
In other news, my wife just got out of the hospital and can finally spackle all those holes in the wall from last time you ignored me. She’s really counting on you to deliver this time.
I like to imagine Vance as a sort of mob boss and when the cameras were off he smacked her around a bit.
"Get in line, blondie. Or it's curtains for you, see?"
I don’t have much to contribute to the conversation right now other than the fact that I really don’t like libertarians. I think they enjoy too much representation in the Trump administration. I don’t think these members of the coalition bring anything productive or actionable to the table.
I also don’t have anything to contribute to this but the Spanish Civil War is very interesting and fun to learn about!
Something I always admired about Trump was his attention to loyalty at key moments. He can tolerate people’s ineptitude so long as they are loyal. But somehow this message has not gotten through to the PR team that proved this Vance appearance on Megyn Kelly’s show. We don’t need these empty talking heads, and we don’t need to forget what they did to Charlie Kirk’s widow. If anything, Vance should be emphasizing the contrast between Epstein’s behavior and the systematic decades-long sexual abuse and torture laid out in the recent British Rape Gang Report of 2026. There were 250,000+ native British girls savagely abused by overwhelmingly Pakistani Muslim men, and yet these RW “influencers” are hellbent on tying up Trump with false accusations. May a Trump/Lowe alliance break these RW traitors’ influence.
The war in Iran was a foreign and domestic political disaster for Trump. At the behest of those whose loyalty to him is at best lukewarm and who regard him as a disposable means to an end to realize their cherished policies (or worse, “prophecies”), Trump started a war in an election year that he couldn’t realistically win. Time and the “escalation ladder” were both against him. In so doing Trump not only discredited his administration on the issue that arguably got him elected over Biden/Kamala, inflation, but also discredited his claim to being a president who makes deals rather than starts wars. All of the most vile people in American politics were able to treat Trump like a piñata for four long months and have been gifted talking points that will serve them well on the stump, while those of us who have defended Trump as being a “nationalist” or “realist” were made to look like fools.
Although the details of the current ceasefire remain nebulous, a return to the status quo ante is tantamount to defeat: To win, all Iran had to do was not lose, whereas to not lose Trump had to win. Don’t get me wrong, any deal to end this war of choice and move on is better than nothing, from my point of view, but the neocons whom Trump was appeasing are already turning on him without hesitation or moderation. Israel, America’s faithless ally, is attempting to sabotage the ceasefire by continuing to occupy and bomb Lebanon, hoping to goad Iran into retaliating, and in turn drag the United States back into the war. By starting this war, Trump set in motion forces beyond his control. What happens next is up to the Likuds, Hezbollah, and the IRGC, parties not exactly known for their restraint, let alone any sense of responsibility towards American interests.
All of the above was possible because many of the major “America First” media figures isolated themselves from influence by embracing conspiracism and defeatism, out of petulance at best, cynicism at worst. It was a necessary, if not sufficient, condition. Hence why it is folly to abstain from politics “on principle.” If you do, then Christian-Zionist dodos, nationalist Jewish ethnics, and Team-America jingoists with paraphilia for bombs and guns run the show instead. It’s equivalent to, “If you kill your enemies, they win.”
No one has loathed Levin for longer than I have. Many a blog post of mine in the early 2010s was devoted to debunking Levin’s abuse of American history to justify the latest foreign war and falsify the Founders as Romney-Ryan Republicans. The spectacle of Trump gushing over that creepy, nutty neocon and ordering his supporters to watch his show was an indignity, not just to all of us who supported Trump, but to Trump himself. Levin was a MAGA latecomer (NeverTrump and pro-Cruz in 2016) and more generally still represents everything about the pre-Trump GOP that was so stupid. Yet what was the context of Trump’s encomium of Levin? Bickering between Levin and Megyn Kelly, a disgraceful conspiracy-monger. While purported “America First” influencers like her were self-destructing, not just with Trump personally but with the public at large, the Levins (and apropos Kelly, Candace Owens, and Tucker Carlson, the Shapiros) were practicing actual politics with the president, getting his ear by kissing his ass, swallowing their pride and sucking up, etc. Remember in 2019, when Tucker’s personal call with Trump stopped him from bombing Iran over the latest panic over some phantom threat? (Probably “days away” from another nuke, as it’s been the last three decades.) Where was that in June 2025? February 2026? Well, look at where Tucker is now.
It’s a catastrophe that so many of our ideas remain relegated to “online.” Whenever I encounter legacy media, our side is labeled as “the podcasters” or some other derisive epithet, and inasmuch that underestimates the grassroots support of our ideas, it does correctly identify our side’s leading public figures. Most of these leaders, unfortunately, are people of poor judgment and low character, not to mention that they often have adopted our ideas without understanding, and thus are unable to defend them or apply them to new events. There was an opportunity for a real-world breakthrough, but the breakdown of this online scene into infighting and grifting has hampered that opportunity for the time being. As has been a recurring theme here, we need institutions that confer prestige and impose discipline. There are some positive signs here and there, but in general all of the institutional power remains with the “conservatives,” who as we can see from the late war, have learned nothing and forgotten nothing.
the listeners of these podcasts are easily swayed. Kelly shouldnt be allowed back but many of her listeners can be guided back by JD's calm and convincing nature
Well said and thank you.
If you had claimed to have written his remarks for him I would have believed you.
Great article. I really detest this old hag and wish nothing but the worst for her, Candace, and the rest of their retarded cohorts.
Absolutely nailed it.
I am reminded of Matthew 5:30. Great article MG.
I know the fires of hell surely await Candace after this life but I really do hope God cuts her down in such a spectacular fashion and soon. I can’t think of anyone else who’s asking for it more than her.
No, that would be to her benefit. If Candace Owens dies as she is now, everyone who follows her will feel vindicated and believe that even if she was mauled by a wild cougar that Trump did it over Epstein. The only thing I want to happen to Candace is for her to be thoroughly discredited in the eyes of even her most ardent supporters.
Good point
I think it helps neutralize MK in the upcoming elections, Vance has none of Trumps "baggage" and being conciliatory probably helps give the retard right detractors of Trumpism a way to save face when they inevitably want to return to the trough. After they return he needs to completely house-break them, however.
Vance has a unique opportunity to thread the needle of the presumptive heir to MAGA who will continue MAGA policies, while also being the "MAGA that should have been" to those currently disaffected.