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Byzantine Chungus's avatar

Very interesting, especially the conclusion where he holds Denikin went above and beyond to prevent pogroms while Petliura encouraged them.

The Ukraine during the civil war was a wild place, there was a point in December 1918 where there were six different Ukrainian governments fighting each other. McMeekin said that Kiev changed hands from 1917-1922 23-24 times.

A recent book I just finished that I imagine would be of interest to you is White Guard by Mikhail Bulgakov (of Master and the Margarita fame). It’s a semi-autobiographical novel about a White family in Kiev toward the end of 1918. Offers a unique perspective as the main characters work for Hetman Skoropadsky, a particularly fascinating character imo. Wrangel had some interesting comments about him.

Bulgakov is tied with Solzhenitsyn as my favorite 20th century author, but White Guard is much less well known. Offers great insight into the Ukraine during the civil war and the Whites. Bulgakov wrote it in tangent with a play (Days of the Turbins), which was seen as too sympathetic to the Whites, but Stalin was such a fan he intervened to keep it playing. The White Guard is viewed as even more sympathetic, so couldn’t be published during his lifetime, or some time after for that matter. Worth a review!

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"The Russian masses were far and away the most easily swayed in all the world, and were strikingly susceptible to the eloquence of the agitator" really stuck out to me.

I had a conversation with some high school friends a few weeks ago, where one asked me what I thought of the Israel-Palestine situation and even said I was right about all the /pol/ talking points I used to regurgitate back in 2016. However, when I expressed apathy on the matter all of a sudden things took a sour turn; accusations of a lack of humanitarian spirit for not being outwardly against the "genocide".

As Trump said, we live in an angry world. A lot of people are looking for outlets for this anger and confusion they feel at the fact that we live in world detached from the mores that kept it in place for the past few centuries. The fact of the matter is the majority of people, as we can see on twitter, don't actually hold any definite positions. They can be rallied and agitated by anyone who gives them carte blanche to act out their sociopathic urges and fulfill this prophecy of "revolution" or "subversion" implanted in most people by the Marxist narrative of history. Just like you talk about in the STALKER 2 episode, we're seeing more and more people make good points or hold "based" positions for frivolous if not outright caustically stupid reasons.

I'd highly recommend reading or listening to some talks by Neil Postman, I would say probably the best student of Marshall McLuhan who arguably even surpassed him by taking his ideas one step further. One of his biggest critiques of education even as far back as the 70's was that children were being denied a greater narrative to give their learning purpose, and that fundamental skills such as abstract reasoning and rhetoric were woefully underdeveloped. While we caught a glimpse of it in the "Summer of Love" back in the 60's/70's, I think we're really seeing the full force of it now. People operating based off of "vibes", the retarded "debate me' videos of equally braindead libtards and ConInc mouthpieces performing the intellectual equivalent of the battle at Hampton Roads; half-baked cannonballs of ideas bouncing off iron skulls too thick to even conceive of letting them through. People's whose views can be changed on a whim because there's no principle behind it. In a strange way, as we've cast off the "superstition" of God, Family, and Country in the name of rationalism people now more than ever have become irrational. Arguing as an end unto itself, the constant chasing of "dunks" and clippable moments, the severe lack of self awareness.

It's all so tiresome. Trump will fix it, thankfully.

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